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Two 'Bitches' Debate Borgore's Use Of The Word

"A bitch is someone that acts like a cunt, and a hoe just sleeps around with a bunch of people." - Borgore

Recently, Borgore, known for his obsession with booty and “bitches," was interviewed by Crossfade, a Miami New Times blog. 

Borgore is always honest and straightforward with his responses. As usual, his words led some music fans to think he crossed the line just a little too far. Two EDM.com writers have strong and differing opinions on what was said and decided to discuss the implications of the interview.

Opinion written by Gabe Gilker:

I have always harvested a deep love for Borgore ever since the first time I heard Ice Cream Mixtape back in 2009. This, to me, was the cream of the crop. I was a young thing, recently out of high school and making my name in the EDM scene. To me, these gnarly bass bangers epitomized that summer. From that moment, Borgore began to be ingrained in my personality, I remember putting on “Ice Cream” and “Saturday Night” on my shitty iPod, and as I would walk down the street, I felt like I owned the city, I felt like I was queen-fucking-bee. I think it was something about the way he would overly sexualize women, in a strange way this made me feel overly sexualized, and I began to use my sex to get what I wanted. In a weird way, when I was young and impressionable, this gave me a sort of confidence I didn’t have before. In recent times, I haven’t been as “up on my Borgore game” as I was before, but after reading his recent interview in Miami New Times, I was a little taken back, but also felt myself nodding in agreement with many things he said. I felt like he had some really interesting points especially when the interviewer asked him: “What's with all the bitch this and bitch that in your music?

I think it's just an expression. I don't know. You don't really disrespect females. It's just a matter of speech. And chicks like when you talk dirty to them in the right time and place. It all depends on how you're saying it.

This to me is a plain and simple truth. With all the awareness of rape culture and girls coming out with their stories of being disrespected, I felt like Borgore hit the nail right on the head here. When I’m walking down the street at 3:00 a.m. after a show, or leaving a friends house, the last thing I want to hear is the sound of a car slowing down beside me and the passengers inside the vehicle scream out, “EH BITCH, GET IN THE CAR,” or “DAMN YOU LOOK GOOD, BITCH!” I know I look good; I don’t need you to scream it at me and attach the word “bitch” at the end. Also, why are you calling me a bitch and then telling me to get in the car? That sounds like a bad scenario to me. Another rude example, which I encounter on a daily basis, is bro-ey guys hitting on me, and when I politely turn them down with a “Thank you, but no thanks,” as I’m walking away I hear you shout out “Bitch!” or “Slut!” Why do you do this? Do you think that by degrading me I’ll come running back? “Oh thank you for calling me a bitch! Now I’ll definitely let you put your dick inside me!” is probably the last thing going through my mind.

But there is a right time and place for it. Between the sheets is a good place, mostly because I like dom/sub relationships. That kind of shit gets me off. I’m a switch, so me and my partner will take turns being the dom. To me, nothing feels better than slapping them in the face and calling them a bitch, or having my hair pulled while they whisper in my ear, “You like that you little bitch?” That’s the right time and place. When it’s playful, and you want to be called a bitch.

Borgore also defines the difference between a bitch and a hoe so elegantly: “A bitch is someone that acts like a cunt, and a hoe just sleeps around with a bunch of people.” In this definition, I must be a “bitch,” only because I have an ego that will fill a club and an attitude that is so brash and sarcastic that people usually think that I am a complete and utter “bitch." Or, before they meet me they think that I must be a boy, and I’m okay with that, because there is a certain truth to it. The main difference is that now there’s an element of real confidence behind my actions, and if that makes me a “bitch,” so be it. Call me naive, a dumb little girl, whatever you please, but I know that I gained a confidence that I didn’t have before through Borgore, and without this, I would not be the person I am today. No regrets, I think Borgore is pretty great, and I would let him call me a “bitch” in the right time and place.

Opinion written by Deanna Krolowitz:

When first reading Borgore’s interview, I knew what exactly I was getting myself into: a classic interview that was bound to reflect the nonchalant and derogatory attitude of Borgore. However, after reading the interview, I was in shock at just how brutally honest the statements discussed came off to be and couldn’t help but think, "Did he [Borgore] really allow this interview to go up?" But then it occurred to me that it’s Borgore, and I guess that’s just how he wants to be perceived—the DJ who could care less about how the industry and rest of the world view him.

Before I go any further, I’d like to note that this opinion is not intended to be taken as hatred against Borgore or as an over-the-top, dramatic spiel about woman power. I only wish to emphasize the fact that electronic music already has a great deal of negativity linked to it, and when DJs and producers repeatedly categorize women solely as “tits,” “bitches,” and “cunts,” I feel the need to step in and make an argument for the derogatory statements to come to a halt.

Let’s begin with Borgore’s reaction to Crossfade’s comment on what a exactly a “Jewnicorn” really is… 

Borgore: “It's a Jewish unicorn dude. It comes from extra money. It has a bigger nose. I'm Jewish, so I can make those jokes.” 

Yes, you’re right Borgore, you can make Jewish jokes. But sometimes, the joke can be perceived as going a little too far. Therefore, spur a trend for such derogatory/racist names to be seen as okay to say in the first place. This brings me to my main point, the term “bitch,” and its relation to Borgore.

Crossfade: "What's with all the bitch this and bitch that in your music?"

Borgore: “I think it's just an expression. I dunno. You don't really disrespect females. It's just a matter of speech. And chicks like when you talk dirty to them in the right time and place. It all depends on how you're saying it.” 

Crossfade: "Is there a difference between a bitch and a hoe?"

Borgore: “No, not really. Wait, yes there is. A bitch is someone that acts like a cunt, and a hoe just sleeps around with a bunch of people.” 

Well, there you have it, Borgore is defending bitches. Wait…right? Wrong. While Borgore might not disrespect a girl in person, his words speak loud and clear. He clearly states that a bitch is “Someone that acts like a cunt.” Therefore, the truth about what Borgore honestly thinks about his #BootyforBorgore clan is you’re all “bitches,” and that my friend, is not the best thing to be proud of…You might make the argument that he said, “You don’t disrespect women. It’s just a matter of speech,” but it all goes back to the racist comment I mentioned earlier. If you make it okay to use one derogatory word continuously, it ends up spreading into an entire stereotypical idea. If everyone calls women "bitches" with Borgore's definition that "a bitch is someone that acts like a cunt," then we've set a very dangerous stereotype.

You have to look at this from the greater perspective too. DJs and electronic music are beginning to attract a younger crowd. Yes, it’s great to see more individuals getting involved with the scene, but there’s still that line that shouldn’t be crossed when you know that a younger audience is watching your every move. Statements such as, “I get chicks on the stage to show their tits,” and making videos like this can only lead to even more negative stereotypes being formed about the electronic dance community.

I’ll leave you all with this closing thought…Borgore, we get you like booty, and that’s cool and all, but maybe learn how to speak the truth in a more respectable manner. Right now, you’re coming off as the DJ who loves having “six chicks at once,” but at the same time, it looks like you could really care less about the music you're producing. Just something to think about.

If you have a strong opinion on Borgore's words, let us know in the comments below. 

Note: This was a collaborative piece written by both Gabe Gilker and Deanna Krolowitz.

Photo Credit: https://www.facebook.com/Borgore

[H/T: Crossfade/Miami New Times]

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